BOARD OF SUPERVISORS
The regular meeting of the Board of Supervisors of the
Board of Supervisors: Pete Stainthorpe, Chairman
Scott Fegley, Vice Chairman
Grace Godshalk, Secretary/Treasurer
Frank Fazzalore, Supervisor
Steve Santarsiero, Supervisor
Others: Terry Fedorchak, Township Manager
Jeffrey Garton, Township Solicitor
James Majewski, Township Engineer
Kenneth Coluzzi, Chief of Police
Mr. Jim Tolbert,
Ms. Virginia Torbert,
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Mr. Fazzalore moved and Mr. Fegley seconded to approve the
Mr. Santarsiero stated Mr. Fedorchak was to look into
whether they could get additional money for
Mrs. Godshalk moved, Mr. Santarsiero seconded and it was
unanimously carried to approve the
DISCUSSION AND MOTION ON
Mr. Stainthorpe stated the Township engineer and Donna Liney of Park & Recreation are present to give an overview and the Rivergate residents will then be given an opportunity to speak.
Ms. Liney stated the Township has two 90’ baseline baseball
fields. These two fields – A and H – are
in the original section of Macclesfield Park and have been serving the
community since the Park opened in 1989 when there were two user groups in the
Township – PAA and YMS. Since that time given the continued growth
and development in
Mr. Majewski stated the current lighting proposal is for six
new lights on Field H. This is what is
recommended by Babe Ruth Baseball. The
mounting height of the light fixtures will be 70’ which is comparable to the
lights currently on the soccer fields.
They also propose to put two new lights on existing poles to light Field
F which is the field closest to
order to put on lights in the future which is what is now proposed. He stated they reviewed the lighting plan to verify whether or not it meets Township Ordinance, and they feel it meets all Township Ordinances and requirements.
Ms. Mary Mavis,
Ms. Mavis stated later in that same meeting the Minutes indicate that Mr. Fritchey stated he felt if they were interested in getting a 90’ field quickly, lighting Field H provided the greatest opportunity to resolve the situation in the short term. He indicated this would increase the amount of playing time available for next year; and while he was not opposed to constructing a 90’ field at Samost, he is concerned that they have not had an opportunity to get public input on this and going through the public review process would probably mean it would not be built until 2006. Ms. Mavis stated in the November 9 Minutes, Ms. Liney stated the funds are reallocated funds from construction of a 90’ ballfield on the Samost Tract. Ms. Mavis stated it appears that the original plan was to build a 90’ ballfield which would give the community more playing time. She stated they understand that the funds for this kind of capital expenditure are precious, and they would ask that the Township forego a short-term solution and go back to the long-term solution which would give more playing time for the residents of the community.
Ms. Mavis stated they are also concerned that while the
Township felt there was a need to get input from residents for building a
field, there was no consideration about asking the Rivergate residents their
input on this proposal which will impact the quality of their life. She stated 90% of their residents, when they
were advised of the proposal, agreed that lighting in
Ms. Mavis stated they are requesting that the Board of Supervisors reconsider this and spend the funds on installation of a ball field which they feel will provide more playing
time for the community.
Mr. Stainthorpe asked the results of the testing done on the lights already in the Park.
He asked if the new lights will add significantly to the current condition. Mr. Majewski agreed that it will be brighter. He stated the results of the test that were done showed that at the property line the light level was 0.1 foot candles which is not significantly bright. The maximum allowed by Ordinance is 0.5 foot candles at the property line. He stated when you do look over at the fields, you do see the lights. Mr. Majewski stated the lights on Field H will be further away than the existing lights at the Park. He stated the lights facing in the direction of the homeowners will be over 1000 feet away from the nearest residence.
Mr. Santarsiero stated he did look at the existing lights and these new lights on Field H will be farther away. He stated that while the two lights on Field F are a little closer, the cemetery is between the lights and the residences. He stated to the extent that some accommodation can be worked out, he would like to try to do that. He does not feel it is a trade off between building a new field or installing the lights. He stated it has been brought to the Board’s attention that there is a need for 90’ fields and they will ultimately need one at the Samost Tract. However, given the existing facilities, he also feels that to maximize their usage, the lights seem like a logical step. He would like to discuss how late the lights can be on. He stated he would ideally like to see the lights installed at Macclesfield as well as the construction of a field at the Samost Tract so that they can provide more playing space. Mr. Santarsiero stated as to the question of bringing the residents into this earlier, the one distinction between the lights being installed and the building of a field on Samost is that currently there is nothing on the Samost Tract and the amount of work that needs to go into that is considerably more than what is involved with installing lights at Macclesfield. Mr. Santarsiero stated another area of compromise is the possibility of buffering.
Ms. Mavis stated there are some plans to do buffering, but they are not really going to help the light or noise from the baseball fields because their homes are placed fairly high. They would like to have additional trees to help the noise situation somewhat.
Mr. Stainthorpe stated they had talked about changing how the lights are turned on and off. Mr. Majewski stated they can install more expensive controllers for the lighting system that would automatically shut them off at certain times. Currently it is possible to override the existing system. He stated Ms. Liney has been looking into this.
Mr. Stainthorpe stated they should look into this
further. Mr. Fazzalore stated he agrees
they must look into this as he has advised Ms. Liney a number of times that the
lights are on as late as He stated this also occurs at the recreation
area near the
Ms. Mavis stated they had heard with regard to the foot candles, that it was .3 out of .5.
She stated if you drive through their neighborhood, it is like stadium lights.
Mr. Fegley stated it is not a question of one or the other, but long-term planning indicates that there will probably also be a 90’ field at Samost at some point although no master plan has been approved for that tract. Based on past experience it takes years for a master plan to be developed and the Park to be actually constructed. He stated they purchased Memorial Park in 1995 and only just now is there any earth moving taking place and this is only the initial work for the Memorial. He stated he does feel the Board is sensitive to the issue, and he feels would be more reasonable than He stated he feels there should be some mechanism to insure that the lights are not left on past this time.
Mrs. Godshalk asked what ages are using these fields until Ms. Liney stated ages thirteen and above are on the 90’ baseline fields. Ms. Laurie Grey stated they were also told that the adults use these fields. Ms. Liney stated there are two adult leagues. Ms. Liney stated the permits run to and they do give them until to get off the field and into their cars. She stated and to
are the two time slots they look to accommodate. Mrs. Godshalk stated she is concerned that young teenagers are on the fields until on school nights.
She stated when they decided to install the existing lights and acquired the land that is behind the homes, they said there would be no active recreation permanent fields put in behind the homes. She stated when they installed the lights for football and soccer, she felt that they said at that point there would be no more lights. Mr. Fazzalore stated they also stated that they would do more buffering than is there now. Mrs. Godshalk stated it is hard to buffer 70’ poles. She stated at Memorial Park they had to guarantee to the people that there would be no lit fields. Mrs. Godshalk stated she is not comfortable with the proposal being discussed.
Mr. Santarsiero asked why they have to be 70’. Mr. Majewski stated it is recommended that they be between 70’ and 80’ to adequately cover the fields.
Mr. Fegley stated he does remember the discussions when they were expanding the Park that there would be no active carved-out fields in the area behind the houses, but he does not remember specifically that they promised that there would be no further lights beyond what was installed for the football and parking areas. He stated if this can be shown in the Minutes that they did state this, this could affect his opinion.
Mr. Mark Cook, PAA Commissioner, stated they are serving 900 families in the community and cannot wait. He stated they have a severe demand for 90’ fields and have been discussing this with the Township for a number of years. He stated the Township engineer indicated this will have minimal impact on the adjoining residences.
Mrs. Godshalk asked if PAA has polled the families that might have children playing until Mr. Cook stated their games run until and the extra half hour is to give time to get everything off the fields and get the fields prepped. Generally speaking thirteen to fifteen year old boys do play baseball until 10:00 p.m. Mrs. Godshalk asked if the families are aware of this when they sign up, and Mr. Cook stated they are.
Mr. Gene Castone,
Mr. Greg Caiola,
Mr. Dave Bollard,
Mr. Mike D’Maio, 1067 S. Kimbles, stated he is involved with
YMS and they are stretched to the limit and cannot find enough fields to
accommodate their program. He stated
Mr. Tom Stevenson,
Mr. Stephen Heinz,
Mr. Mike Morlach, 1
Mr. Alan Hillard,
Mrs. Godshalk stated she is trying to please everyone. She stated she feels the Township has provided very good facilities for the residents; but when a person moves into the Township and purchases a home, this is the largest asset they will have and they deserve to live in that home without being disturbed. She feels in this case, she is siding with the homeowners. She stated there are many other areas of the Township which can be developed although it may not be possible to do so this soon. She would prefer that they build a new ballfield if it costs the same to build one as it would to light the fields.
Mr. Ron Smith,
He stated previously one of the Supervisors had indicated that they should cap off the number of players they allow, and he feels this is unacceptable.
Ms. Susan Wright,
Ms. Virginia Torbert asked the location of the fields which are planned to be lit, and
Ms. Liney showed the location on the Plan. Ms. Torbert stated her parents are buried at
the cemetery adjacent to
Mr. Fazzalore moved to table this matter until the Township Manager reviews the Minutes to see where they stand. Mrs. Godshalk seconded.
Mr. Santarsiero moved to amend the Motion to include a proposal that they take a look at what buffering they could put in there and do so in a expedited basis so that this is not lingering farther and to make a decision at the next meeting one way or the other.
Mr. Stainthorpe stated he does not believe they need to pass
anything this evening. He stated the
lights are in the Budget and if they were to do anything tonight it would be to
take the lights out and come up with alternatives. He does not feel there is any question that
there are significant recreational needs in the Township. He stated when Macclesfield was first built
in 1990 the population of
Mr. Fedorchak stated at the current time they are doing the preliminary engineering for the lights. Mr. Santarsiero suggested that as this process goes forward, they should also look into the buffering and the timing of the lights.
Ms. Mavis stated they should consider if the lights are going to be off at if this is really going to accomplish much for the Township. She stated they should also consider what it will take to monitor this. She stated if the lights are going to be off by 10:00 p.m., play needs to be completed by 9:30 p.m. and she questions how much this will add to the playing time. Mr. Santarsiero stated the teams would have to work around the fact that the lights will be off at and possibly they will have to put equipment away with their high beams on.
Vote was taken on the Motion to table and did not pass as Mr. Fazzalore and
Mrs. Godshalk were in favor and Mr. Fegley, Mr. Santarsiero, and Mr. Stainthorpe were opposed.
Mr. Fazzalore asked that the Township Manager review the Minutes to find out what was promised.
Mr. Santarsiero moved and Mr. Fegley seconded to have the Park & Recreation Director come back with firm costs on improvements on lighting including timers and recommendations on buffering. Motion carried with Mrs. Godshalk abstained.
Mrs. Godshalk moved and Mr. Fegley seconded to immediately
start drawing up plans for development of
Mr. Fegley stated the reason why much of the new field
development has not gone forward was because of the
Mr. Fazzalore stated he would vote for the Motion on the
condition that the
Motion carried with Mr. Fazzalore and Mr. Stainthorpe opposed.
DISCUSSION AND MOTION ON REFINANCING GOLF COURSE BOND
Mr. Gordon Walker was present and stated they requested the
go ahead from the Board of Supervisors to convert a portion of the Golf Course
debt from a variable rate to a fixed rate.
They have obtained all the information they need for the prospectus, secured
bond insurance, and the credit rating of
Moody’s. They have reaffirmed the
Township’s AA rating. Only two other
Mr. Fazzalore stated six weeks ago they did not take any action and they were at 3.44 on $8 million and now they are 40 basis points above that. Mr. Walker stated the rates are up and down. He stated currently they are only 10 basis higher than they were in mid
January. Mr. Fazzalore stated if they had taken action six weeks ago, they would be paying 3.44%. They did not take action because the Board indicated they wanted more information. He stated now they will be paying above the 3.5% that was what was in the Budget for the Golf Course. Now they are at 3.72% or 3.94%. Mr. Walker stated if the Board had indicated they wanted to proceed as soon as they could, they would still have had to prepare the prospectus, getting the credit rating, etc. He stated they did not get the rating until March 8, and tonight was the next meeting of the Board. He agreed that interest rates are higher and this is why they are discussing this. Mr. Fazzalore stated if they stay with the variable rate, which is currently 2.38%, and the fixed rates go up, the variable will probably go up as well.
Mr. Gordon stated the base rate they are currently paying without the Admin charge is 1.98% and the ten year average on the variable is 2.80. He stated the Township will still have a significant portion in variable and you hope that it will be less than the ten or fifteen year average. He stated the Township has enjoyed very low interest rates on the Golf Course loan over the last two to three years and have probably saved $300,000 to $400,000 a year versus having done a fixed rate in the beginning. He stated a lot of his clients are now considering fixing a portion of their debt to cushion against potential higher rates.
Mr. Fazzalore stated he would like to have seen an option that showed 3.5% which is what they agreed to as well as an option that showed all $16 million for thirty years.
Mr. Gordon stated this would be costly. He stated the Budgets were run on 3.5%. If they convert the whole amount, they would be at 4.5%. He stated they could get to 3.5% by waiting to see if the market gets better or they could convert less. He stated no one really knows what will happen with interest rates. Mr. Fazzalore stated he does not feel rates will go down. Mr. Walker stated long term rates have not gone up as much.
Mr. Walker stated he would recommend Option II shown on Page 5 of the report. He stated this would be approximately a 50/50 mix.
Mr. Garton asked if when they do the auction can they do it on the basis that they have the right to add additional principal to the debt if the numbers look better than they anticipate. Mr. Walker stated he will have to speak to the bond counsel as the Ordinance would have been pre-advertised. He stated possibly they could negotiate with the winning bidder for another year or two. He stated the Ordinance would have to be worded in such a way to give this flexibility. He stated unless the Board has a special meeting, the earliest they could do this would be their next meeting on April 4.
Mr. Garton stated they could call a special meeting next week.
Mr. Garton stated if they get to the Auction Bid and are not satisfied with the rates, they do not have to go forward.
Mr. Fazzalore moved and Mr. Fegley seconded to proceed with Option II as far as the Auction Bid.
Mr. Fazzalore stated he would also like to know the additional costs from 3.44% to 3.82% and how this will effect the Golf Course.
Mr. Santarsiero stated if they had locked into the rate a year ago, they would not be in this position. He stated he tends to be risk adverse. He stated he suspects that the rates are going to go up and they will be back here a year from now looking at that part of the debt that is not fixed. He stated he understands that the Golf Course was budgeted at 3.5%. He would tend to err in favor of putting more in the fixed rate and minimize the potential downside going forward and feels this should have been done before despite the fact that they saved money. He stated he does not like being exposed 50%. Mr. Walker stated if they are going to go higher, he would suggest that the issue not be over $10 million as over $10 million it takes a lot of buyers out of the market.
Mr. Walker stated while he will not personally be available next week, he will have someone available at the Township who can handle this.
Mr. Stainthorpe stated no financial advisor would have recommended that they lock into a fixed rate two years ago because the spread between variable and fixed was very large. He stated now the spread is not as great and this is why they are proceeding in this way. Mr. Santarsiero stated he feels the proof will be in the future and whether the downsides they will see going forward will outweigh the savings that were realized over the first two years. He fears the downside will outweigh the savings realized.
Mr. Fegley stated there was also fear that the Golf Course would not be a success and this has not been the case to date. He stated they have been advised that they saved $300,000 to $400,000 over the last two years. He stated based on independent financial advisors, they recommended that they stay with the variable rate which would result in savings over the long term. Now that the rates are changing, the Board is reacting to the market situation and acting in the best interest of the Township and fixing some and keeping some variable.
Mr. Santarsiero stated he still feels that while they hope the Golf Course will be a success, it will take a few years until they are certain of this. He stated they also need to protect the residents against the downside with what may happen with interest rates.
Mr. Fegley stated this is what they are doing.
Mr. Zachary Rubin stated this is the original bond and the principal is not being paid down. The Board agreed. Mr. Rubin stated all bonds are callable and asked when it would be called. Mr. Walker stated it would be five years although they can advance
re-fund as well as call in the variable. Mr. Rubin stated he was present during the prior discussions on rates and he felt the fixed rate less than a year ago was under 3%. It was noted this was not correct. Mr. Rubin asked the fixed rate at the time. Mr. Fedorchak noted the Interest Rate History Chart and stated where they are now is very close to where they have been for a number of years. Mr. Walker stated in 2002 when the decision was made to go variable, the fixed rate was higher than it is today. Mr. Rubin stated he is talking about last year. Mr. Stainthorpe stated they have been looking at this constantly. Mr. Walker stated last year he did not appear before the Board of Supervisors but they continually updated Bill Taylor on the rates. In 2003 the fixed rate was higher than today as it was 5%.
Mr. Matt Bulger stated they indicated that there is an option that they could come back to
whoever wins the auction and fix a larger portion. Mr. Garton stated they would try to do this the day of the auction. Mr. Walker stated if they would convert a little
more, those maturities are higher so it tends to raise the average rate on what you are converting. If you convert less, you get a lower average rate. Mr. Bulger asked about converting more and Mr. Walker stated if you go above $10 million you will be paying the higher rate. Mr. Garton stated if you go over $9.9 million it is no longer attractive to large financial institutions. This is $9.9 million a year in total. He stated you cannot go back a year later and renegotiate with whoever was the low bidder.
Motion carried with Mr. Fazzalore, Mr. Fegley and Mr. Stainthorpe in favor,
Mr. Santarsiero opposed, and Mrs. Godshalk abstaining.
Mr. Santarsiero moved, Mr. Fegley seconded and it was unanimously carried to direct the Township Manager to authorize advertisement of a special meeting on Tuesday,
March 29 at
PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVAL OF APPLICATIONS BY FARMLAND
PRESERVATION INC. FOR INCLUSION OF TAX PARCELS IN THE
RESOLUTION NO. 2078, RESOLUTION NO. 2079, AND RESOLUTION NO. 2080
Mr. Garton stated pursuant to the Board’s receipt of the Applications, the Planning Commission and Agricultural Security Committee recommended that they be included. These were advertised for consideration this evening.
Mr. Sam Conti, Farmland Preservation Corporation, stated they have nine tax parcels, five of which were included in the Agricultural Security District. They are requesting approval of the inclusion of three more. He stated one more is missing which is Clearview which is twenty-five acres. This is the old Black Farm. He would like this to be included. Mr. Garton stated he has the record of what is included because he recorded
all the adoptions with the Recorder of Deeds Office. He asked that the Township send him a letter with the tax parcel numbers and he can cross check what is included.
Mrs. Godshalk asked the impact if the land ceases to be actively farmed. She stated she felt the land can be used as recreation land without a Referendum. Mr. Garton stated this is in the restrictions that created the organization. She asked if it states that there can be a Referendum where it can be developed into three acre lots. Mr. Garton stated they would have to have a Referendum in order to sell it. Mrs. Godshalk stated she feels it can only be developed as three acres lots. Mr. Stainthorpe stated this does not effect the Agricultural Security District. Mrs. Godshalk stated she questions if this would have any jurisdiction. Mr. Garton stated it has no impact. He stated this has a seven year duration and if it not used for agricultural purposes, it can be reviewed and have another hearing and take it out of the Agricultural Security District. Mr. Conti stated he feels they have to have a Referendum approved if it is going to be used for a use other than farming.
Mrs. Godshalk stated she does not feel this is correct and a Referendum is not required if it is going to be used for recreation. Mr. Garton stated the Agricultural Security District gives certain protection. If it is no longer being used as a farm, it ceases to be protected under this particular Resolution.
Mr. Santarsiero stated they will keep the Agricultural Security Council active until they find out if they need to add another parcel.
Mr. Santarsiero moved, Mr. Fazzalore seconded and it was unanimously carried to approve the Applications by Farmland Preservation Inc for inclusion of the following parcels in the Lower Makefield Township Agricultural Security District:
Resolution No. 2078
– Tax Parcel No. 20-3-33 –
Resolution No. 2079
– Tax parcel No.
Resolution No. 2080 – Tax Parcel No. 20-80-48 – Bridle Estates
APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION NO. 2077 OFFERING EMPLOYEES AN INCENTIVE TO WAIVE HEALTHCARE COVERAGE
Mr. Fedorchak stated this is to create an opportunity for the Township to save money on hospital costs. He stated it is not uncommon for employees’ spouses to have healthcare coverage and this would allow the employees to make a choice. If they would go with their spouse’s plan, they will pay the employee 30% of the Township’s premium costs. The Township would then save 70%. Mrs. Godshalk stated she asked Mr. Fedorchak to look into this for a number of years as this is the standard in industry.
Mr. Santarsiero noted Paragraph 3 where it states they reserve the right to cancel the waiver program or otherwise alter its provisions from time to time. He asked if they
should have an obligation to provide notice to the participants, and Mrs. Godshalk stated they would have to do this. Mr. Santarsiero stated there is nothing in this Resolution that states this. Mr. Garton stated they could have a specific timeframe or leave it to the Manager to give notice. Mr. Santarsiero stated he feels it should be in the Resolution so that they know what the Notice period is. Mr. Garton suggested that they provide for sixty days notice and they Amend that provision.
Mr. Bob Slamen,
Mr. Slamen stated he feels 30% is probably a lot of money. Mr. Fedorchak stated depending on whether it is a single or a family it could range from $2,000 to as high as $6,000 a year. If they decide to go with hospitalization and/or the prescription there is a matrix of opportunities.
Mr. Santarsiero moved, Mr. Fazzalore seconded and it was unanimously carried to approve Resolution No. 2077 offering employees an incentive to waive healthcare coverage subject to amending Paragraph 3 that the Township shall provide sixty days notice to anyone receiving the waiver prior to the Board’s action as to whether to do away with it or not.
Mr. Majewski stated they have been monitoring the culvert on
Mr. Fazzalore asked if they need permission from PennDOT, and Mr. Majewski stated this is a Township road and does not require permission from PennDOT. He stated it does qualify for an emergency permit from the DEP. Mr. Fazzalore stated they did not include this in the Budget. Mr. Fedorchak stated he feels they may have a portion of the costs covered. He noted they did make application to FEMA to replace this culvert and last week FEMA contacted him and indicated they have tentatively agreed to cover the cost to replicate the existing structure. He would recommend that when they put this out to bid they get a number for replacing the culvert that is there and a second bid for what Mr. Majewski is proposing to be the optimum solution. They will then take this to FEMA and hope to get reimbursed in the amount of $125,000 to $150,000.
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Mr. Fazzalore agreed that this project needs to be done. No action was needed to be taken by the Board this evening.
Ms. Torbert asked how long the road will be closed and asked
about the detour route. Mr. Majewski
stated the official detour route will be
MESSICK PROPERTY DISCUSSION AND MOTION
Mr. Edward Murphy, attorney, and Mr. Chris Messick were present. Mr. Garton stated this was an Appeal from the recommendation from HARB not to issue a Demolition Permit. He stated this is a continuation of the discussion held at the last Board meeting.
The 3/3/05 memo from Mr. VanDyke was noted, and Mr. Murphy stated the survey discussed in that memo has been completed and transmitted to Mr. VanDyke. In addition, the Board of Supervisors requested that the Heritage Conservancy be consulted about the circumstances giving rise to the Permit Application and Mr. Marshall is present this evening. He has had the opportunity to look at the materials and has been out to the site. Mr. Murphy understands he has prepared a report although they have not been provided a copy. He stated in one of the meetings Mr. Messick had with Mr. VanDyke, he did see a copy of the Sketch Plan that Mr. VanDyke’s office felt was appropriate for the re-development of the site, although they have not been given a copy of this either since the Township has not yet made available the Escrow Agreement. Mr. Garton stated this was sent to the Township weeks ago. Mr. Murphy stated they have not seen it and as noted two weeks ago they have requested it and agreed to sign it and fund it.
Mr. Jeff Marshall was present. Mr. Stephen Heinz asked if Mr. Marshall is present as a consultant to Mr. Messick, and Mr. Stainthorpe stated he is present as a consultant to the Township. Mr. Stainthorpe stated Mr. Marshall has looked into this matter and provided the Board with written input. He stated it appears that the issue with regard to the percentage of buildings that have to remain in order to maintain their status as a National Historic Register site is totally unclear and there do not seem to be any percentages required. Mr. Marshall stated it is more qualitative than quantitative. He stated when you initially list a property or District, there are rules and depending on the size of the District this can range from 50% to 75% of the buildings being historic or contributing. There are no set rules for the opposite which is where there is a number of contributing resources where you fall below that you would be de-listed. He noted the individuals involved at the National Register and the Local Preservation Office agreed there is no “magic” number. They indicated it has to do with location and the significance of the District.
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Ms. Michelle Stambaugh stated she has also looked into this further. She stated they do not want any more buildings to get to a point where they could encroach on the historic integrity of the Village.
Mr. Bob Oaks stated he has worked with Mr. VanDyke and has been building and restoring houses for fifty years. He feels the way to restore the house is to reproduce and recycle as many of the materials as possible. In working with Mr. Messick, he would supervise the project.
Ms. Stambaugh stated they want to get the Agreement and escrow finalized and move forward. She also suggested that there be signage at the Village on what is going on so that it does not just look like they are tearing it down. The sign should indicate it is a revitalization of the community and they would like to work with HARB on this sign.
Mrs. Godshalk stated she has received a number of phone calls from people about what is going on with this property. She stated there are tax credits for restoration and if this is a re-building, they will lose tax credits. Mr. Marshall stated this is where there is a provision setting a certain percentage of the original fabric in order to qualify for tax credits.
Mr. Fazzalore asked how the Historic Commission and HARB feel about this reproduction. Mr. Stainthorpe stated to date there have been no definite plans proposed to comment on. Ms. Wendi Grant, HARB stated they were originally told something different from what is now being proposed. They would agree to set up an emergency meeting to discuss the new plans. They would reiterate that they would deny the Certificate of Appropriateness that was presented to them in November and they wish to preserve as much of the materials as possible.
Mr. Stainthorpe stated Mr. Oaks indicated they should recycle as many of the existing materials as possible and asked if he has been out to the site. Mr. Oaks stated he would recycle as much of the siding as possible. The entire foundation can be repaired as well as the beams and the timbers. Mr. Messick stated he would agree to this. Mr. Messick stated the clapboard is suspect because the aluminum siding has been nailed onto it.
Mr. Stephen Heinz stated they had an organized presentation from HARB to make sure the Board understood all the aspects of their consideration so the Board could make a good decision this evening. Mr. Heinz asked Mr. Oaks if he was an engineer or an architect, and Mr. Oaks stated he is an architect/builder. Mr. Heinz reviewed the history of HARB and the Board of Supervisors working together over the years. He stated he is concerned that this will send the wrong message that properties can be demolished because of neglect.
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Mr. Tony Islan stated HARB did review the request by Mr. Messick to demolish the building and they requested a review on how much of the structure could be saved. He stated they are concerned that the Applicant went to the Board of Supervisors rather than come back to HARB to work with them.
Mrs. Godshalk stated if the Township had been doing their job under the CLG and the Historic Village Zoning, this house would not have come to this point. She stated this started happening before Mr. Messick purchased the property. She stated action should have been taken before it got to this point. She stated the Township is the steward under the CLG and the National Register to make sure that these homes are maintained so they will not have to be demolished.
Mr. Stainthorpe stated he does not feel anyone has overturned a decision of the HARB since he has been on the Board, and they do have respect for what they do. He stated in this case they have actually done what was suggested and this is the third meeting they have discussed this. He stated they have employed Mr. Marshall to review this as well. He stated he feels they need to look into much tougher Ordinances regarding historic preservation and preventing people from letting places decay by neglect. Mrs. Godshalk stated this is what she has indicated, and she stated under the CLG, they are obligated to do this. Mr. Stainthorpe stated they need to make sure they are enforcing this. He stated at the last meeting, he suggested a means test for work to be done on a historic property and you would have to show that you have the money to complete work on such a property. He feels they should have the toughest laws in the State and not let this happen again.
Mr. Heinz stated in the approval of the Plan that was previously submitted for renovation of the property by Mr. Celli, a portion of the building was permitted to be demolished. He stated there is no reason why a portion of a structure for the good of the whole could not be demolished. If someone comes to HARB with a full plan of what is intended, they will act on it with all speed. He feels this needs to go back to HARB and reviewed again probably with a different result. He stated the only option they heard – twice – was tear it down with no plan for anything else or anything being preserved.
Mr. Santarsiero asked if they would agree to go back to HARB and show a Plan of what they propose to do after demolition is completed. Mr. Murphy stated it is not their Plan. He stated Carter VanDyke has supposedly prepared a plan, but they have not been able to see it because they were not provided with the Agreement to sign or fund. Mr. Messick stated he has agreed to replicate the structure so he does not know why they have to go another month. Mrs. Godshalk stated she still feels they have to go to HARB since they are the authority in the Village under the National Register. Mr. Garton stated HARB is a recommending authority, and the Board of Supervisors is the authority. Mrs. Godshalk stated under the Ordinance of the National Register, HARB is the recommending authority, and she feels the replication does have to go back to HARB. Mr. Murphy stated once a Plan is prepared it will have to go back to HARB.
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Mrs. Godshalk stated she understands that they want to use the building as commercial, but if they use it as residential, perhaps it would not have to be constructed as thoroughly because it would not have to go before Labor and Industry and perhaps then using the present foundations and some of the beams and walls would be easier. Mr. Messick stated he does not feel he or the Board can determine what will be successful at this location as he feels the market will make this determination. He stated he is not sure someone would want to live at this location. Mrs. Godshalk stated in the Village they are going to have a mixture. Mr. Murphy stated they were told that one of the elements of
Mr. VanDyke’s plan included a residential component, but they have not been able to see this. He stated they will entertain all the elements of the Plan that Mr. VanDyke wants to propose. Mrs. Godshalk stated she felt that the older structure would not have to meet Labor & Industry requirements. Mr. Murphy stated there is no more Labor and Industry and it is all Township Codes and the Township provides the inspectors.
Mr. Garton reviewed possible conditions of approval of granting the demolition permit.
Mr. Murphy stated he is concerned that the proposal is that they are required to get approval from HARB before the building is able to be taken down. He expressed concern with the time this would take. Mr. Garton asked if they were willing to execute a Development Agreement agreeing to the conditions if the demolition permit is granted, and Mr. Murphy stated they are willing to do this. Mr. Murphy stated he felt once there was a new Plan, they would then go back to HARB with the Plan. Mr. Garton stated he is trying to find a mechanism to guarantee that they can move forward. Mr. Garton stated they are not looking for a Land Development Plan, but rather a plan for the structure.
Mr. Murphy stated they have not been able to get this from the Township because the Township has not allowed them to sign the Agreement. Mr. Garton stated Mr. Murphy indicated Mr. VanDyke did have a Plan, and Mr. Murphy stated they have been advised of this. Mr. Messick stated Mr. VanDyke has a site plan for the entire site.
Mrs. Godshalk stated they do not need to do the entire site and are just referring to this building. Mr. Garton stated they want to identify what is going to be saved and to see a conceptual Plan that articulates what Mr. VanDyke has recommended. Mr. Marshall stated this would be an elevation of the building to be constructed. Mr. Garton stated they are not looking for an engineered Plan. Mr. Messick stated he will replicate the façade of the building. Mr. Stainthorpe stated this needs to be put in writing.
Mr. Murphy stated it is not the Applicant’s Plan as the Board of Supervisors directed them to use Mr. VanDyke as a consultant and he has the Plan. Mr. Santarsiero asked why this Plan cannot be given to the Applicant.
Mr. Stainthorpe stated if Mr. Messick is willing to agree in writing to replicate the façade of what is there he feels he should be permitted to tear it down. He stated he does not want to delay this any further noting that this is the third meeting during which this has been discussed. Mr. Oaks stated if they wait long enough, the structure will fall down and someone will get hurt.
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Mr. Murphy stated in 1978 when this building was cataloged by the Township, it was stated that is was in need of repair at that time.
Mr. Fegley moved and Mrs. Godshalk seconded to grant the Demolition Permit subject to:
1) Building is replicated so as to reproduce the façade consistent with
the recommendation received from Carter VanDyke;
2) As much of the clapboard and the beams that can be saved are in
fact saved and the foundation reutilized;
3) There is an elevation of Carter VanDyke’s recommendation
provided to HARB and an appropriate agreement be executed
complying and guaranteeing that Mr. Messick does all the
Mr. Murphy agreed to the Conditions.
Mr. Heinz stated HARB is not a consultant organization; it is an approval organization and it is either approved or not approved. He stated this has not been approved.
Mr. Garton stated HARB is a recommending body.
Motion carried unanimously.
APPROVAL OF PRELIMINARY/FINAL PLAN FOR RAYMOND & LINDA
Mr. Edward Murphy was present. Mr. Garton reviewed possible Conditions of
Approval. Mr. Murphy stated there were
comments in the 3/9/05 PCS letter which are not applicable, and he has
discussed these with Mr. Garton. Mr.
Garton stated this is understood. Mrs.
Godshalk asked about the entrance to
Mr. Murphy stated they are moving the lot line 65’.
Mr. Fazzalore moved and Mr. Santarsiero seconded to approve the Preliminary/Final Plans dated 1/5/05 subject to:
1) PCS letter dated 3/9/05 to the extent not resolved including the
a) Section 146.a requiring curbs and street improvements
b) Section 178.47a requiring sidewalks
c) Section 178.93 requiring stormwater facilities
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2) Receipt of all approvals by agencies having jurisdiction;
3) Payment of
Mr. Murphy agreed to the Conditions, and the Motion carried unanimously.
APPROVE EXTENSION TO ROBERT AND KATHLEEN WIDMER
Mr. Fazzalore moved, Mr. Santarsiero seconded and it was
unanimously carried to grant an extension of time to Robert and Kathleen Widmer
for Preliminary Subdivision Plans for property on
Mrs. Godshalk stated at the next meeting they hope to have the Memorial finalized and will ask to go out to bid. Mr. Fazzalore asked about the status of the road. Mr. Majewski stated they did take time off due to weather, and anticipate starting up again next week.
Mr. Santarsiero stated he was unable to attend the EAC
meeting because of a conflict with the Zoning Hearing Board which meets on the
same night. He stated he would like to
continue to serve as liaison to the EAC, and they are looking to see if they
can reschedule their meetings to Thursdays.
If this is not possible, a new liaison will need to be appointed. He stated there will be a Canal Clean Up on
April 2 at 9:00 a.m. and they will be meeting at the intersection of the Canal
AUTHORIZE EXECUTION OF CONTRACT FOR 2005 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT
Mr. Fedorchak stated in October, the Township made application to the County for a $20,000 Grant for various historic preservation purposes. The Township has received notice that they will be granted $19,000. Mr. Fedorchak stated this can be applied for planning efforts, and he would suggest they use $10,000 of the $19,000 to pay
Mr. Marshall’s Contract and the other $9,000 can be used for repairs/renovations to the Satterthwaite House and Elm Lowne.
Mrs. Godshalk moved, Mr. Santarsiero seconded and it was unanimously carried to authorize execution of the Contract for 2005 Community Development Block Grant.
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Mr. Santarsiero moved, Mr. Fazzalore seconded and it was
unanimously carried to approve the
DISCUSSION OF REQUEST BY PENNSBURY ARTS FOR DONATION OF A GOLFING FOURSOME FOR FUNDRAISER
Mr. Stainthorpe stated they did discuss a similar donation request at a prior meeting and since then they discussed this matter at the Golf Committee. It was unanimously decided by the Golf Committee that they should stick with their policy of “no free golf.”
Mr. Santarsiero asked approximately how many of these requests have been made in the past; however, it was not known. Mr. Stainthorpe stated these are usually telephone requests made to Terry Bannon. Mrs. Godshalk stated if people have an Outing at the Course, and are bringing in revenue, she does not have a problem with the donation of a foursome. She stated the Memorial Outing brought in $40,000, and they did give a foursome as a prize. She is concerned where they would draw the line on donations to community groups. She stated she feels that the policy of giving it to people bringing in money for an outing is one they should stick to. Mr. Fegley stated he does not feel they should give away a foursome to every community or civic group that wants to have a foursome for a fundraiser.
Mr. Garton stated they would also be giving away taxpayer dollars and this would involve choosing which charity the taxpayers are supporting and which they are not.
Mr. Fegley stated he feels the policy should be that you can only give a foursome in conjunction with an outing that takes place at the Golf Course. Mr. Stainthorpe stated he believes that is what the policy is. Mr. Fegley stated he would like to know if this is the written policy; and if it is not, it should be put in writing.
Mr. Santarsiero stated he would like to know the policy of
other Townships which have public courses.
Mr. Rubin stated RAM had a fundraiser at
Mr. Garton stated whatever they decide is appropriate, it should be done by Resolution of the Board of Supervisors.
Mr. Fedorchak was asked to find out what other Townships which have public courses do. Mr. Fazzalore stated he does not care what other Municipalities do and feels they should not give away free golf when they have a large bond to pay off. Mr. Santarsiero
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stated he would also like to know how many people are
requesting free golf noting the experience of other courses may indicate that
you do not really get many requests.
Other Supervisors stated they feel once it is know that
APPROVE CANCELING APRIL 18 MEETING DUE TO STATE CONVENTION
Mr. Fazzalore moved and Mrs. Godshalk seconded to cancel the April 18, 2005 meeting due to the State Convention. Motion carried with Mr. Fegley abstained.
MOTION TO APPEAL
Mr. Fegley moved and Mrs. Godshalk seconded to Appeal the Sunrise Zoning Hearing Board decision. Motion carried with Mr. Fegley, Mrs. Godshalk, and Mr. Santarsiero in favor and Mr. Fazzalore and Mr. Stainthorpe opposed.
Mrs. Godshalk moved, Mr. Fegley seconded and it was unanimously carried to re-appoint Susanne Curran to the Historic Commission.
There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned at 10:15 p.m.
Grace Godshalk, Secretary